[chuck]So given the amount of questioning going on about the source of our Hate Mail #2 and similarities in tone, content, and concerns with the E4F debate and particularly Kirk Hastings’ various emails, I followed the advice of one of our posters and checked the headers:

From: KirkHastings5@aol.com
Message-ID: <55b03.43193a8d.3adf0d24@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:07:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: A brief note from an Irreligiosophy listener
To: irreligiosophy@gmail.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=”part1_55b03.43193a8d.3adf0d24_boundary”
X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 130
X-Originating-IP: []

From: GrantGardner44@aol.com
Message-ID: <63321.1885153b.3ae318b2@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:45:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Your website
To: irreligiosophy@gmail.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=”part1_63321.1885153b.3ae318b2_boundary”
X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 130
X-Originating-IP: []

Now, I’m not a techie, but those originating IPs look exactly the same to me. Anyone in the know care to expound on exactly what that means?

PS: The IP address traces to … New Jersey, headquarters of Evidence 4 Faith.

UPDATE: Lying hypocritical Christian Kirk Hastings of Evidence 4 Faith has admitted his sock-puppetry in an email reply to one of our posters, copied to us (the header of that email exactly matches the headers of the previous two). I’m going to give Kirk the benefit of the doubt and assume that this behavior is the absolute bottom of the barrel for him. Given past history, though, I will not be surprised if it isn’t.

73 Responses to “Kirk Hastings, Sock Puppet”

  1. Discord.agent says:

    It means we have witnessed a blessing… a blessing from the lord!

  2. Does it still count as hate mail?

  3. Discord.agent says:

    Christians don’t hate, they turn the other cheek and love their enemies as they love themselves. It doesn’t make sense for a Christian to write “hate” mail and then create another account to purposely deceive people by generating more “hate” mail. Isn’t there some passage in their (or his) book of morality that condemns lying? Or is lying OK if it’s done to promote Jesusism?

  4. Leighton says:

    So……when you and I talked about this and I said I wanted to respond with a single line, “Did Kirk Hastings put you up to this?”, I wasn’t that far off.

    Sorry, in my book it doesn’t count as hate mail. Hate mail must be generated due to some bystander stumbling across our show. Getting a piece of mail from the gloriously honest Kirk Hastings in the guise of another doesn’t even ping on the hate mail radar.

    To Kirk, I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, “Shoo, little kitten.” You don’t even have the balls to walk amongst the lions without a disguise, what makes you think you can stand up to us?

  5. He’s too dedicated to his mythology to admit defeat. Apparently he’s willing to [attempt to] deceive at every opportunity. What a dishonest shill. Is this what he considers turning the other cheek?

    Kirk’s last two emails to me:

    “I’m no longer interested in wasting my time with your rude and totally uncivil e-mails. You’ve got a hell of a lot of growing up to do, and learning how to be civil with people. Go torment Chuck and Leighton with your narrow-minded viewpoints… I am no longer reading your e-mails, just trashing them. Don’t waste your time. Or mine.

    “Kirk Hastings”

    I was quite nice to him on purpose. He just couldn’t stand it that I disagreed with him about nearly every position he holds. Thin skin.

  6. Discord.agent says:

    Is there any more bonerderm skin cream to send to him and his fellow E4Fers?

  7. I’m not sure there are any fellow E4Fers.

    Empbac, I’d love to read the entire exchange with Kirk Hastings, if that is his real name.

  8. Lucy Harris says:

    If they are different people, then it must be an EASTER MIRACLE!

  9. Unless “Grant” just happened to trip and fall onto the send button on Kirk’s computer, it looks like we have a dual personality going on here. Should we expect a trinity?

    It’s so lame that he used alliteration in the name. Its almost like what a kid would do if asked to conjure up a name on the spot. Look out for…
    or perhaps…

  10. This is beautiful.

    Do they have a website, forum, fb page? I think their fans need to know thay kirk hastings is actually some guy named greg.

  11. Or grant.

    What was it?

  12. Obviously Kirk spilled water on his keyboard and this mess happened. It’s not his fault guyz.

  13. And here I thought Jesus was very down on lying… but of course, we are not saved by works but by grace.

  14. Discord.agent says:

    I fail to understand how being saved through grace and not works builds a strong moral/ethical system. If anything, I would think that such a system destroys ethics. Oh well, what do I know? I’m no ethicist.

  15. Chuck, you are absolutely correct. Both email addresses originated from the same computer. Just shows how technically illiterate a Christian apologist is. Not only is Kirk Hastings using AOL. Who the hell uses AOL anymore? But not knowing that the email identifies the originating IP address. Of course a technically literate atheist could spoof an IP address. Or even setup their own email server and send an email from any unprotected Wifi access point.

  16. somewhere in greece says:

    I would like to say something in the vein of “You’ve got to be kidding me!” but then again, nothing suprises me when it comes from a guy that says that a woman being forced to marry her rapist sounds fair.

  17. Discord.agent says:

    Kirk Hastings (Grant Gardner) just responded to my email about lying. He said it wasn’t lying because using the fake email account was an april fools prank. He said, “P.S.: Just because the Bible says we shouldn’t lie doesn’t mean we can’t pull a “joke” once in a while too, like you guys do!”

  18. somewhere in greece says:

    …on April 22nd? This doesn’t fly even if he was on the Julian calendar!

  19. I think this is how Kirk views Leighton…


  20. Mickmeister says:

    An April Fool’s joke is normally played on April Fool’s Day, not late April. It also normally contains something funny, not putdowns and scientific illiteracy. So: April Fool’s prank, or desperate stupid lie…you decide.

  21. Rasputin says:

    Is it me or do these Christian evangelist types often go to a bunch of extra effort just to be lame?

  22. Mr Saturday Nite says:

    “I’m Grant Gardner” – Not intended to be a factual statement.

    I’m trying to figure out if Kirk Hastings is a wrench, a screwdriver, or a hammer. Either way, he’s still a tool.

  23. Gliblord says:

    Can I take the “Truly, truly pathetic” comment from the last post and put it here instead?

  24. Moewicus says:

    Guys, it’s not lying, Kirk was just using mental reservation while he wrote the email. All he needed to do to exculpate himself in the eyes of god was say “NOT!” in his head after he sent the email.

  25. somewhere in greece says:

    “I’m trying to figure out if Kirk Hastings is a wrench, a screwdriver, or a hammer. Either way, he’s still a tool.”

    Oi, no hating on the tools!

  26. maggie mcfeeline says:

    An especially nice Christian touch that this happens over Easter. I think his next nom de keyboard should be Pat Hetic. Truly sad.

  27. Born Atheist says:

    Ahahaha, this is awesome, totally caught with their trousers down.

    And such a feeble excuse… April Fool’s day? Come on, you’ve just made yourself look even worse for not owning up – or at least being able to think of a decent excuse.

  28. Hahahaha! Caught, asshole! Just another childish theist ashaming himself!

  29. Gliblord says:

    “April Fool’s! On the 22nd! And it’s not really a prank so much!” has got to go into the record books as the lamest, least credible excuse in internet history.

  30. NiceAndBlue says:

    Maybe Grant Gardner spilled water on his computer at the exact same moment that Kirk Hastings spilled water on his computer and their IP addresses were somehow swapped through some jesus-magic.

  31. somewhere in greece says:

    You know, we should be displaying some gratitude towards Kirk Histings. He has become a trove of expressions such as “plug the meat”, “water on the keyboard”, now “April Fool’s joke”…

  32. I mean it could be someone borrowing his computer. Just saying…

  33. AOL often proxies, but the X-Originating-IP header is there to distinguish individual IP’s from AOL proxy IP’s…in this case, this is no proxy (because they match). That said, who knows *exactly* (wink, wink, nudge nudge). They could have had their wifi compromised and it’s someone outside being a dick.

  34. Covering up a lie with another lie. This is golden!

  35. Chuck and Leighton, all this pig-tail-pulling must mean he just wants your love. He wants to come to the dark side, he just doesn’t know how.

  36. Matthew, Apostle of Christ & Gospel Writer, D.Irr says:

    I am in the legal field, and as a fairly responsible adult I find that all this childish petty bickering does more harm than good in defending your position in the theist/atheist debate. You and your “subscribers” come across as bratty, loud-mouthed, know-it-alls who use tasteless humor and insulting language to pass your worthless opinions off as facts, whereas I rely strictly upon logic and reasoning in the courtroom to ascertain fact from fiction.

    I will admit I am somewhat of a fence-sitter on the issue of what God is or isn’t. But that’s only because I enjoy the feel of the hard pointy fenceposts crammed up between my legs, especially on a nice white picket fence. You can rest assured if they ever come out with soft and comfortable fenceposts that I’ll be jumping off and going to the side where the grass is always greener.

    You may email me at MatthewMartin87@aol.com if you’d like to discuss further.

    PS Where’s my podcast ?!?!?!?

  37. Leighton says:

    You know, upon discovering it was Easter today and getting dragged away from working on the haunted house by my buddy, because you should be with family on this day, I have once again discovered why I choose to ignore this holiday. That said, I have had a lot of time to contemplate things and realized I may have been a little harsh on Kirk. He’s not such a bad guy after all, and it’s readily agreeable by all that I’m just a dick, or ass depending on your perceptions. I think we should all take today to wish Kirk and all his family a Happy Easter. Unfortunately, Kirk has continued to block my emails, while sending love letters to me as recent as this morning. I have no way to wish him a nice zombie is risen today.

    So Kirk, I would like to sincerely wish you a happy festering corpse day by asking a question, why does the Easter bunny paint his eggs? So no one will find out he’s fucking a chicken.

  38. maggie mcfeeline says:

    Leighton, if you can’t get through to Kirk, try his friend Grant.

  39. Gliblord says:

    That’s all Kirk wants. A one-sided preaching session. He’s not interested in real discussion, because he’s not interested in *learning* anything. All he wants to do is nurse his own wounded ego. That’s why he’s resorted to characterizing everyone of us as some miserable mindless henchmen of the Great Satan. It’s so much easier to ignore our criticisms that way. And that way he can preserve his pwecious, pwecious bewiefs.

    Let me ask you something, Kirk. When’s the last thing you did anything Christ might have done? You know, all that hippie stuff like turning the other cheek, not judging lest you be judged, etc. etc.–stuff from that silly little tome you’ve no idea about, called what’s the name again oh yeah the Bible. How are you going to successfully convert us heathens or ANYBODY (that’s the entire point of your show, is it not?) if you don’t lead by example? Your childish responses are hardly rising above the invective of us unholy riffraff.

    Let go of your ego. Admit you were wrong about some things. Let’s start having a real discussion like manly men, let’s start from square one. This is your very last chance, Kirk. I hope you make the right choice.

  40. While you have evidence, you don’t have proof. From a random google I got “AOL Dial up uses where multiple users in different area’s can have the same IP address.” – to me this means that AOL might be handing out the same IP address to whoever connects next, so it COULD be a coincidence.

  41. Kirk has admitted the deception. He calls it (very optimistically) a “joke.”

    So apparently Hastings-Gardner replied to Discord.agent’s email and copied us. Hey Kirk, if you want to have a dialogue, make it a dialogue. Unlike E4F, on this site, anyone can comment. All they need is an intact spine and a thick skin, neither of which you seem to possess. But please, prove me wrong and post here, where we can all see and respond.

    My policy from here on out is to ignore Kirk-Grant until and unless he crawls out of the shadows and posts here for all to see. Posting more emails from the coward apparently just serves some deep-seated need for attention, which obviously E4F isn’t going to fulfill. So, Kirk, man up and post here (or on our forums, another venue of free expression) or go away.

    Before my policy goes into effect, here’s one paragraph from the email he copied us on:

    Actually, my “joke” was partially serious. Most of what I said I believe is true. I simply created my own “secret identity” through which to say it (if Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne can do it, why can’t I? THEY aren’t ever accused of being “liars” because they have other identities!)

    Kirk seems to be having a little trouble distinguishing comic book fiction from reality. This doesn’t surprise me: he has the same trouble with mythology.

  42. Herb (12th Apostle) says:

    Kirk has completely bottomed out. Desperate and pathetic. Talk about arrested development.

  43. savemejeebus says:

    I am gonna gloat, just a little. You can tell me to fuck off, its fine. I think I was the first person to postulate the Kirk-in-disguise theory and it was quite fulfilling to come to this site today and read this post. Ok thats enough gloating.

  44. Worst “joke” ever. It’s primary school level “humour”. I once had a couple of home schooled kids put what was clearly a fake parking ticket on my car – I doubt that they’d ever seen a real one. It was written in coloured pencil. THAT was less obvious in its fraudulence and funnier than Krant’s offering. Corrrr… If you’re going to create an alter ego “secret identity” of yourself – why be an attorney? Lame. Showing off some amazing creative imagination there.

  45. Meatbag211 says:

    Apparently, Kirk’s idea of a superhero alter-ego is an agnostic lawyer that fights poor attitudes using his powers of courtroom logic, expertise in scientific strawmanning, and a Lee Strobel book he once read.

    As bad as that sounds, it is still less bad than Captain Salvation.

  46. This just could not get any better. Lmao at how pathetic he is. I’m almost embarresed for him….Almost.

    kirk, i know you are probably feeling like crap right now. but D on’t do anything stupid like hang you R self IN stead just chilax K, with a B eer and maybe start to sLowly r E-ev Aluate your beliefs. start with what ever you feel is the most far fet CH ed xtian belief.

  47. This is fucking hilarious.

  48. J.N. Hudson says:

    Typical apologist, when all else fails Lie for Jesus(TM), and when they get called out on that, double down with another round of Lying for Jesus(TM). It means nothing to them to compromise their values when they can just oh-so innocently claim that “aren’t perfect, just forgiven”. The duplicity and insincerity of these people is both astounding and deeply, deeply disturbing because, in their eyes, there is no line their rhetoric won’t cross, no lie they won’t tell, in the name of their particular deity, and they will do it all without a hint of guilt or remorse.

  49. E4F …. what a fucking joke!